`sagemath` is not available in Fedora 39

[FilipLaurentiu]

Steps To Reproduce

sudo yum install sagemath

Expected Behavior

Install sagemath

Actual Behavior

Sagemath is not available in Fedora 39 repository

Last metadata expiration check: 0:07:16 ago on Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:01:27 PM EET. No match for argument: sagemath Error: Unable to find a match: sagemath

Additional Information

No response

Environment

➜  ~ lsb_release -a
LSB Version:	
Distributor ID:	Fedora
Description:	Fedora release 39 (Thirty Nine)
Release:	39
Codename:	ThirtyNine
➜  ~ uname -r
6.6.4-200.fc39.x86_64
➜  ~ sudo yum install sagemath 
Last metadata expiration check: 0:07:16 ago on Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:01:27 PM EET.
No match for argument: sagemath
Error: Unable to find a match: sagemath

Checklist

• I have searched the existing issues for a bug report that matches the one I want to file, without success.
• I have read the documentation and troubleshoot guide

[dimpase]

This isn't for us, we don't do packaging for distros

[enriqueartal]

When I told fedora developers that there was a problem with their nauty package, they pointed out that sagemath packager had abandoned the project, they wanted to know if some sagemath developer would be interested. I do not know rpm techniques, and actually it is simpler to compile it.

[vincentmacri]

A couple people (including myself) are considering taking over as package maintainers for Sagemath on Fedora (https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/will-sagemath-return-to-the-fedora-39-repository/95662/17), but we're currently blocked by Sagemath not supporting Python 3.12, which is what ships with Fedora 39 (and Fedora doesn't allow packages to depend on older versions of Python than what ships with the OS by default).

[vincentmacri]

I think #36023 and #36181 (as well as all the people interested in taking over maintaining it being new to package maintenance) are the main blockers.

[dimpase]

Are you saying that Fedora 39 doesn't carry Python 3.11? Python 3.12.0 is quite buggy. Here is my favourite: python/cpython#112215

OTOH #36023 should not be a big problem - there is a new polymake release which does support newer perl.
https://github.com/polymake/polymake/releases/tag/V4.11
Although polymake is an optional package of Sage, it need not be there for Sage to function otherwise.

[dimpase]

Please also note that while Sage's build-in python is quite old, Sage does support Python 3.12, see #36407

[FilipLaurentiu]

I understand the problem. You can close the issue if you decide.
I tried to install it using nix. Everything ok but install it with nix I don't have SAGE_ENV variable set and I can't use sage as a kernel for the jupyter notebook

This path doesn't exist for me $SAGE_VENV/share/jupyter/kernels/sagemath
Can you help me with this problem?

[dimpase]

This path doesn't exist for me $SAGE_VENV/share/jupyter/kernels/sagemath

please open a new issue, this one is about Fedora 39

[vincentmacri]

Are you saying that Fedora 39 doesn't carry Python 3.11? Python 3.12.0 is quite buggy. Here is my favourite: python/cpython#112215

OTOH #36023 should not be a big problem - there is a new polymake release which does support newer perl. https://github.com/polymake/polymake/releases/tag/V4.11 Although polymake is an optional package of Sage, it need not be there for Sage to function otherwise.

I wasn't aware Sage supported system Python 3.12, that will help build it, but any bugs would be a problem. Do you know what impacts any of those Python 3.12 bugs would have on building and running Sagemath?

Fedora does technically carry Python 3.11, but the Fedora packaging guidelines don't allow packages to depend on Python 3.11 (with exceptions only for some developer tools like pip or tox). Fedora carries Python 3.11 only for users to directly install and use for development work. So for the purposes of packaging Sagemath, it needs to work with Python 3.12.

"Fedora packages MUST NOT depend on other versions of the CPython interpreter than the current python3." https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/Python/#_python_version_support

In Fedora 39, the current python3 is Python 3.12.

[enriqueartal]

With 10.2 in Fedora 39 ./configure --with-system-python3=force ends with

Given --with-system-python3=force, but no system package could be used.
That's an error.  Please install the indicated package to continue.
(To override this error, use ./configure --without-system-python3)

[dimpase]

With 10.2 in Fedora 39 ./configure --with-system-python3=force ends with

Given --with-system-python3=force, but no system package could be used.
That's an error.  Please install the indicated package to continue.
(To override this error, use ./configure --without-system-python3)

Do you have python3-devel installed?