Vulkan related question: what's the different between server and cli?

[FNsi]

Today I built llama.cpp and stsble-diffusion cpp in vulkan (termux) all building steps pass.

However, only llama-cli functioning well with ngl whatever, the llama-server and #stsble-diffusion.cpp both result
core dumped

Mesnwhil I found, in complying process, I missed glslangvalidator.

The server dumped

The llama-cli works well.

Stsble-diffusion.cpp also dumped

Thus.... Anyone has any clue?

[FNsi]

Meanwhile I found, in complying process, I missed glslangvalidator.

I built glslang/ from source, rebuild the llama.cpp, server still core dumped.

[FNsi]

Not related but for android, openblas is much faster than vulkan.

[bandoti]

Regarding glslangValidator, I'm not sure if that is necessary. The only requirement as far as the CMake package is concerned is glslc:

https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/blob/09186fabbe05236f2b9446ba6c643cb737540d10/ggml/src/ggml-vulkan/CMakeLists.txt#L1

I'm not familiar with Termux but the first thought coming to mind is that llama server (and possibly stable-diffusion) runs in the background whereas llama-cli runs in the foreground, so I'd wager there could be an issue with the OS yanking the GPU away and causing a segfault.

Using Android and backend processes have to have RPC mechanism for example when switching between apps. Not sure if this helps but here's some info on Intents and Services.

I would imagine that llama server would run as a service, and the front-end needs to hook up to it via the intent.

[FNsi]

I'm not familiar with Termux but the first thought coming to mind is that llama server (and possibly stable-diffusion) runs in the background whereas llama-cli runs in the foreground, so I'd wager there could be an issue with the OS yanking the GPU away and causing a segfault.

Using Android and backend processes have to have RPC mechanism for example when switching between apps.

I would imagine that llama server would run as a service, and the front-end needs to hook up to it via the intent.

I totally agree your ideas. Me either no familiar with termux, just got an android, and the ram is 12gb, but big but enough, so I decided to play it!

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About stable diffusion, I fixed it by remove glfw package. ( Also the glslang), and it functioning.
Still, slow than openblas, that time only slow about 23%.

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So I think things is complicated especially I cannot got the android vulkan icd file without root...

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In the end, I have to say openblas is destined for weak arm device!

[bandoti]

Another possibility is the new OpenCL backend. I'm not sure if it currently supports this use-case, but OpenCL being older than Vulkan typically can have somewhat better interoperability.

[jeffbolznv]

I don't know why server and cli would behave differently. DeviceLost errors usually mean either a timeout (hang, or just too much work) or GPU exception. Please share info about what GPU/driver you're using. Please also try running test-backend-ops to see if your setup passes directed tests.

[FNsi]

It's mail G57
I use termux pkg vulkan_android_loader to deal with it.

About new clblase, haven't try yet, but openblas allow my phone to do whatever else since it only use cpu.

Also , only half speed (his top end device) of openblas ( my 4* A76 + 4* A55)

~ $ vulkaninfo
'DISPLAY' environment variable not set... skipping surface info
==========
VULKANINFO
==========

Vulkan Instance Version: 1.3.304


Instance Extensions: count = 12
===============================
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        VK_KHR_get_physical_device_properties2 : extension revision 2
        VK_KHR_get_surface_capabilities2       : extension revision 1
        VK_KHR_surface                         : extension revision 25
        VK_KHR_surface_protected_capabilities  : extension revision 1

Layers:
=======
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=================================
GPU0:
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-----------------------
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                4294967295
                4294967295
                4294967295
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                SAMPLE_COUNT_4_BIT
                SAMPLE_COUNT_8_BIT
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                SAMPLE_COUNT_1_BIT
                SAMPLE_COUNT_4_BIT
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                SAMPLE_COUNT_4_BIT
                SAMPLE_COUNT_8_BIT
                SAMPLE_COUNT_16_BIT
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                SAMPLE_COUNT_1_BIT
                SAMPLE_COUNT_4_BIT
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                SAMPLE_COUNT_4_BIT
                SAMPLE_COUNT_8_BIT
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                SAMPLE_COUNT_4_BIT
                SAMPLE_COUNT_8_BIT
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                SAMPLE_COUNT_8_BIT
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        nonCoherentAtomSize                             = 0x00000040

VkPhysicalDeviceSparseProperties:
---------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------------
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VkPhysicalDeviceFragmentDensityMap2PropertiesEXT:
-------------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------------------
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VkPhysicalDeviceLineRasterizationPropertiesKHR:
-----------------------------------------------
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VkPhysicalDeviceProvokingVertexPropertiesEXT:
---------------------------------------------
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        transformFeedbackPreservesTriangleFanProvokingVertex = false

VkPhysicalDeviceTransformFeedbackPropertiesEXT:
-----------------------------------------------
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VkPhysicalDeviceVulkan11Properties:
-----------------------------------
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                SHADER_STAGE_COMPUTE_BIT
                SHADER_STAGE_RAYGEN_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_ANY_HIT_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_CLOSEST_HIT_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_MISS_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_INTERSECTION_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_CALLABLE_BIT_KHR
        subgroupSupportedOperations: count = 8
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                SUBGROUP_FEATURE_SHUFFLE_RELATIVE_BIT
                SUBGROUP_FEATURE_CLUSTERED_BIT
                SUBGROUP_FEATURE_QUAD_BIT
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VkPhysicalDeviceVulkan12Properties:
-----------------------------------
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        conformanceVersion:
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                subminor = 3
                patch    = 0
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                SAMPLE_COUNT_4_BIT
                SAMPLE_COUNT_8_BIT

VkPhysicalDeviceVulkan13Properties:
-----------------------------------
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        maxSubgroupSize                                                               = 16
        maxComputeWorkgroupSubgroups                                                  = 32
        requiredSubgroupSizeStages: count = 8
                SHADER_STAGE_FRAGMENT_BIT
                SHADER_STAGE_COMPUTE_BIT
                SHADER_STAGE_RAYGEN_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_ANY_HIT_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_CLOSEST_HIT_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_MISS_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_INTERSECTION_BIT_KHR
                SHADER_STAGE_CALLABLE_BIT_KHR
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        integerDotProductAccumulatingSaturating8BitUnsignedAccelerated                = true
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        integerDotProductAccumulatingSaturating8BitMixedSignednessAccelerated         = false

[FNsi]

And the log for the test.
I see somthing failed

ABS NEG STEP ...etc

The log is huge, I uploaded in filebin...

Link is below.

https://filebin.net/7w813ekkdbgeukd3

[FNsi]

Rebuild with OpenBLAS show the following.

llama.cpp/ggml/src/ggml-backend.cpp:746: pre-allocated tensor (k_cache_view-0 (copy of Kcur-0)) in a buffer (Vulkan0) that cannot run the operation (CPY)

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