diff --git a/ARCHITECTURE.md b/ARCHITECTURE.md
index a4191cae..9e42c007 100644
--- a/ARCHITECTURE.md
+++ b/ARCHITECTURE.md
@@ -19,7 +19,6 @@ graph LR;
     /var/lib/acme`")] --> nginx-internal;
     cron --- chatmail-metrics;
     cron --- acmetool;
-    cron --- expunge;
     chatmail-metrics --- website;
     acmetool --> certs[("`TLS certs
     /var/lib/acme`")];
@@ -35,7 +34,8 @@ graph LR;
     dovecot --- users;
     dovecot --- |metadata.socket|chatmail-metadata;
     doveauth --- users;
-    expunge --- users;
+    chatmail-expire-daily --- users;
+    chatmail-fsreport-daily --- users;
     chatmail-metadata --- iroh-relay;
     certs-nginx --> postfix;
     certs-nginx --> dovecot;
diff --git a/CHANGELOG.md b/CHANGELOG.md
index c5f92e84..57ecea8b 100644
--- a/CHANGELOG.md
+++ b/CHANGELOG.md
@@ -50,6 +50,13 @@
 - Add `--skip-dns-check` argument to `cmdeploy run` command, which disables DNS record checking before installation.
   ([#661](https://github.com/chatmail/relay/pull/661))
 
+- Rework expiry of message files and mailboxes in Python 
+  to only do a single iteration over sometimes millions of messages
+  instead of doing "find" commands that iterate 9 times over the messages. 
+  Provide an "fsreport" CLI for more fine grained analysis of message files. 
+  ([#637](https://github.com/chatmail/relay/pull/632))
+
+
 ## 1.7.0 2025-09-11
 
 - Make www upload path configurable
diff --git a/chatmaild/pyproject.toml b/chatmaild/pyproject.toml
index 8fa212f8..1194db55 100644
--- a/chatmaild/pyproject.toml
+++ b/chatmaild/pyproject.toml
@@ -27,7 +27,8 @@ chatmail-metadata = "chatmaild.metadata:main"
 filtermail = "chatmaild.filtermail:main"
 echobot = "chatmaild.echo:main"
 chatmail-metrics = "chatmaild.metrics:main"
-delete_inactive_users = "chatmaild.delete_inactive_users:main"
+chatmail-expire = "chatmaild.expire:main"
+chatmail-fsreport = "chatmaild.fsreport:main"
 lastlogin = "chatmaild.lastlogin:main"
 turnserver = "chatmaild.turnserver:main"
 
diff --git a/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/delete_inactive_users.py b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/delete_inactive_users.py
deleted file mode 100644
index 81467852..00000000
--- a/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/delete_inactive_users.py
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,31 +0,0 @@
-"""
-Remove inactive users
-"""
-
-import os
-import shutil
-import sys
-import time
-
-from .config import read_config
-
-
-def delete_inactive_users(config):
-    cutoff_date = time.time() - config.delete_inactive_users_after * 86400
-    for addr in os.listdir(config.mailboxes_dir):
-        try:
-            user = config.get_user(addr)
-        except ValueError:
-            continue
-
-        read_timestamp = user.get_last_login_timestamp()
-        if read_timestamp and read_timestamp < cutoff_date:
-            path = config.mailboxes_dir.joinpath(addr)
-            assert path == user.maildir
-            shutil.rmtree(path, ignore_errors=True)
-
-
-def main():
-    (cfgpath,) = sys.argv[1:]
-    config = read_config(cfgpath)
-    delete_inactive_users(config)
diff --git a/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/expire.py b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/expire.py
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..30a10547
--- /dev/null
+++ b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/expire.py
@@ -0,0 +1,177 @@
+"""
+Expire old messages and addresses.
+
+"""
+
+import os
+import shutil
+import sys
+import time
+from argparse import ArgumentParser
+from collections import namedtuple
+from datetime import datetime
+from stat import S_ISREG
+
+from chatmaild.config import read_config
+
+FileEntry = namedtuple("FileEntry", ("relpath", "mtime", "size"))
+
+
+def iter_mailboxes(basedir, maxnum):
+    if not os.path.exists(basedir):
+        print_info(f"no mailboxes found at: {basedir}")
+        return
+
+    for name in os.listdir(basedir)[:maxnum]:
+        if "@" in name:
+            yield MailboxStat(basedir + "/" + name)
+
+
+class MailboxStat:
+    last_login = None
+
+    def __init__(self, basedir):
+        self.basedir = str(basedir)
+        # all detected messages in cur/new/tmp folders
+        self.messages = []
+
+        # all detected files in mailbox top dir
+        self.extrafiles = []
+
+        # scan all relevant files (without recursion)
+        old_cwd = os.getcwd()
+        os.chdir(self.basedir)
+        for name in os.listdir("."):
+            if name in ("cur", "new", "tmp"):
+                for msg_name in os.listdir(name):
+                    relpath = name + "/" + msg_name
+                    st = os.stat(relpath)
+                    self.messages.append(FileEntry(relpath, st.st_mtime, st.st_size))
+            else:
+                st = os.stat(name)
+                if S_ISREG(st.st_mode):
+                    self.extrafiles.append(FileEntry(name, st.st_mtime, st.st_size))
+                    if name == "password":
+                        self.last_login = st.st_mtime
+        self.extrafiles.sort(key=lambda x: -x.size)
+        os.chdir(old_cwd)
+
+
+def print_info(msg):
+    print(msg, file=sys.stderr)
+
+
+class Expiry:
+    def __init__(self, config, dry, now, verbose):
+        self.config = config
+        self.dry = dry
+        self.now = now
+        self.verbose = verbose
+        self.del_mboxes = 0
+        self.all_mboxes = 0
+        self.del_files = 0
+        self.all_files = 0
+        self.start = time.time()
+
+    def remove_mailbox(self, mboxdir):
+        if self.verbose:
+            print_info(f"removing {mboxdir}")
+        if not self.dry:
+            shutil.rmtree(mboxdir)
+        self.del_mboxes += 1
+
+    def remove_file(self, path):
+        if self.verbose:
+            print_info(f"removing {path}")
+        if not self.dry:
+            try:
+                os.unlink(path)
+            except FileNotFoundError:
+                print_info(f"file not found/vanished {path}")
+        self.del_files += 1
+
+    def process_mailbox_stat(self, mbox):
+        cutoff_without_login = (
+            self.now - int(self.config.delete_inactive_users_after) * 86400
+        )
+        cutoff_mails = self.now - int(self.config.delete_mails_after) * 86400
+        cutoff_large_mails = self.now - int(self.config.delete_large_after) * 86400
+
+        self.all_mboxes += 1
+        changed = False
+        if mbox.last_login and mbox.last_login < cutoff_without_login:
+            self.remove_mailbox(mbox.basedir)
+            return
+
+        # all to-be-removed files are relative to the mailbox basedir
+        os.chdir(mbox.basedir)
+        self.all_files += len(mbox.messages)
+        for message in mbox.messages:
+            if message.mtime < cutoff_mails:
+                self.remove_file(message.relpath)
+            elif message.size > 200000 and message.mtime < cutoff_large_mails:
+                self.remove_file(message.relpath)
+            else:
+                continue
+            changed = True
+        if changed:
+            self.remove_file("maildirsize")
+
+    def get_summary(self):
+        return (
+            f"Removed {self.del_mboxes} out of {self.all_mboxes} mailboxes "
+            f"and {self.del_files} out of {self.all_files} files in existing mailboxes "
+            f"in {time.time() - self.start:2.2f} seconds"
+        )
+
+
+def main(args=None):
+    """Expire mailboxes and messages according to chatmail config"""
+    parser = ArgumentParser(description=main.__doc__)
+    ini = "/usr/local/lib/chatmaild/chatmail.ini"
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "chatmail_ini",
+        action="store",
+        nargs="?",
+        help=f"path pointing to chatmail.ini file, default: {ini}",
+        default=ini,
+    )
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "--days", action="store", help="assume date to be days older than now"
+    )
+
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "--maxnum",
+        default=None,
+        action="store",
+        help="maximum number of mailboxes to iterate on",
+    )
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "-v",
+        dest="verbose",
+        action="store_true",
+        help="print out removed files and mailboxes",
+    )
+
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "--remove",
+        dest="remove",
+        action="store_true",
+        help="actually remove all expired files and dirs",
+    )
+    args = parser.parse_args(args)
+
+    config = read_config(args.chatmail_ini)
+    now = datetime.utcnow().timestamp()
+    if args.days:
+        now = now - 86400 * int(args.days)
+
+    maxnum = int(args.maxnum) if args.maxnum else None
+    exp = Expiry(config, dry=not args.remove, now=now, verbose=args.verbose)
+    for mailbox in iter_mailboxes(str(config.mailboxes_dir), maxnum=maxnum):
+        exp.process_mailbox_stat(mailbox)
+    print(exp.get_summary())
+
+
+if __name__ == "__main__":
+    main(sys.argv[1:])
diff --git a/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/fsreport.py b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/fsreport.py
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..375800f8
--- /dev/null
+++ b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/fsreport.py
@@ -0,0 +1,168 @@
+"""
+command line tool to analyze mailbox message storage
+
+example invocation:
+
+    python -m chatmaild.fsreport /path/to/chatmail.ini
+
+to show storage summaries for all "cur" folders
+
+    python -m chatmaild.fsreport /path/to/chatmail.ini --mdir cur
+
+to show storage summaries only for first 1000 mailboxes
+
+    python -m chatmaild.fsreport /path/to/chatmail.ini --maxnum 1000
+
+"""
+
+import os
+from argparse import ArgumentParser
+from datetime import datetime
+
+from chatmaild.config import read_config
+from chatmaild.expire import iter_mailboxes
+
+DAYSECONDS = 24 * 60 * 60
+MONTHSECONDS = DAYSECONDS * 30
+
+
+def HSize(size: int):
+    """Format a size integer as a Human-readable string Kilobyte, Megabyte or Gigabyte"""
+    if size < 10000:
+        return f"{size / 1000:5.2f}K"
+    if size < 1000 * 1000:
+        return f"{size / 1000:5.0f}K"
+    if size < 1000 * 1000 * 1000:
+        return f"{int(size / 1000000):5.0f}M"
+    return f"{size / 1000000000:5.2f}G"
+
+
+class Report:
+    def __init__(self, now, min_login_age, mdir):
+        self.size_extra = 0
+        self.size_messages = 0
+        self.now = now
+        self.min_login_age = min_login_age
+        self.mdir = mdir
+
+        self.num_ci_logins = self.num_all_logins = 0
+        self.login_buckets = {x: 0 for x in (1, 10, 30, 40, 80, 100, 150)}
+
+        self.message_buckets = {x: 0 for x in (0, 160000, 500000, 2000000)}
+
+    def process_mailbox_stat(self, mailbox):
+        # categorize login times
+        last_login = mailbox.last_login
+        if last_login:
+            self.num_all_logins += 1
+            if os.path.basename(mailbox.basedir)[:3] == "ci-":
+                self.num_ci_logins += 1
+            else:
+                for days in self.login_buckets:
+                    if last_login >= self.now - days * DAYSECONDS:
+                        self.login_buckets[days] += 1
+
+        cutoff_login_date = self.now - self.min_login_age * DAYSECONDS
+        if last_login and last_login <= cutoff_login_date:
+            # categorize message sizes
+            for size in self.message_buckets:
+                for msg in mailbox.messages:
+                    if msg.size >= size:
+                        if self.mdir and not msg.relpath.startswith(self.mdir):
+                            continue
+                        self.message_buckets[size] += msg.size
+
+        self.size_messages += sum(entry.size for entry in mailbox.messages)
+        self.size_extra += sum(entry.size for entry in mailbox.extrafiles)
+
+    def dump_summary(self):
+        all_messages = self.size_messages
+        print()
+        print("## Mailbox storage use analysis")
+        print(f"Mailbox data total size: {HSize(self.size_extra + all_messages)}")
+        print(f"Messages total size    : {HSize(all_messages)}")
+        try:
+            percent = self.size_extra / (self.size_extra + all_messages) * 100
+        except ZeroDivisionError:
+            percent = 100
+        print(f"Extra files : {HSize(self.size_extra)} ({percent:.2f}%)")
+
+        print()
+        if self.min_login_age:
+            print(f"### Message storage for {self.min_login_age} days old logins")
+
+        pref = f"[{self.mdir}] " if self.mdir else ""
+        for minsize, sumsize in self.message_buckets.items():
+            percent = (sumsize / all_messages * 100) if all_messages else 0
+            print(
+                f"{pref}larger than {HSize(minsize)}: {HSize(sumsize)} ({percent:.2f}%)"
+            )
+
+        user_logins = self.num_all_logins - self.num_ci_logins
+
+        def p(num):
+            return f"({num / user_logins * 100:2.2f}%)" if user_logins else "100%"
+
+        print()
+        print(f"## Login stats, from date reference {datetime.fromtimestamp(self.now)}")
+        print(f"all:     {HSize(self.num_all_logins)}")
+        print(f"non-ci:  {HSize(user_logins)}")
+        print(f"ci:      {HSize(self.num_ci_logins)}")
+        for days, active in self.login_buckets.items():
+            print(f"last {days:3} days: {HSize(active)} {p(active)}")
+
+
+def main(args=None):
+    """Report about filesystem storage usage of all mailboxes and messages"""
+    parser = ArgumentParser(description=main.__doc__)
+    ini = "/usr/local/lib/chatmaild/chatmail.ini"
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "chatmail_ini",
+        action="store",
+        nargs="?",
+        help=f"path pointing to chatmail.ini file, default: {ini}",
+        default=ini,
+    )
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "--days",
+        default=0,
+        action="store",
+        help="assume date to be days older than now",
+    )
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "--min-login-age",
+        default=0,
+        dest="min_login_age",
+        action="store",
+        help="only sum up message size if last login is at least min-login-age days old",
+    )
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "--mdir",
+        action="store",
+        help="only consider 'cur' or 'new' or 'tmp' messages for summary",
+    )
+
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "--maxnum",
+        default=None,
+        action="store",
+        help="maximum number of mailboxes to iterate on",
+    )
+
+    args = parser.parse_args(args)
+
+    config = read_config(args.chatmail_ini)
+
+    now = datetime.utcnow().timestamp()
+    if args.days:
+        now = now - 86400 * int(args.days)
+
+    maxnum = int(args.maxnum) if args.maxnum else None
+    rep = Report(now=now, min_login_age=int(args.min_login_age), mdir=args.mdir)
+    for mbox in iter_mailboxes(str(config.mailboxes_dir), maxnum=maxnum):
+        rep.process_mailbox_stat(mbox)
+    rep.dump_summary()
+
+
+if __name__ == "__main__":
+    main()
diff --git a/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/tests/test_delete_inactive_users.py b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/tests/test_delete_inactive_users.py
index 937237b4..5e662e4e 100644
--- a/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/tests/test_delete_inactive_users.py
+++ b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/tests/test_delete_inactive_users.py
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 import time
 
-from chatmaild.delete_inactive_users import delete_inactive_users
 from chatmaild.doveauth import AuthDictProxy
+from chatmaild.expire import main as main_expire
 
 
 def test_login_timestamps(example_config):
@@ -45,7 +45,12 @@ def create_user(addr, last_login):
     for addr in to_remove:
         assert example_config.get_user(addr).maildir.exists()
 
-    delete_inactive_users(example_config)
+    main_expire(
+        args=[
+            "--remove",
+            str(example_config._inipath),
+        ]
+    )
 
     for p in example_config.mailboxes_dir.iterdir():
         assert not p.name.startswith("old")
diff --git a/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/tests/test_expire.py b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/tests/test_expire.py
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..dd848c00
--- /dev/null
+++ b/chatmaild/src/chatmaild/tests/test_expire.py
@@ -0,0 +1,128 @@
+import os
+import random
+from datetime import datetime
+from fnmatch import fnmatch
+from pathlib import Path
+
+import pytest
+
+from chatmaild.expire import FileEntry, MailboxStat, iter_mailboxes
+from chatmaild.expire import main as expiry_main
+from chatmaild.fsreport import main as report_main
+
+
+def fill_mbox(basedir):
+    basedir1 = basedir.joinpath("mailbox1@example.org")
+    basedir1.mkdir()
+    password = basedir1.joinpath("password")
+    password.write_text("xxx")
+    basedir1.joinpath("maildirsize").write_text("xxx")
+
+    garbagedir = basedir1.joinpath("garbagedir")
+    garbagedir.mkdir()
+
+    create_new_messages(basedir1, ["cur/msg1"], size=500)
+    create_new_messages(basedir1, ["new/msg2"], size=600)
+    return basedir1
+
+
+def create_new_messages(basedir, relpaths, size=1000, days=0):
+    now = datetime.utcnow().timestamp()
+
+    for relpath in relpaths:
+        msg_path = Path(basedir).joinpath(relpath)
+        msg_path.parent.mkdir(parents=True, exist_ok=True)
+        msg_path.write_text("x" * size)
+        # accessed now, modified N days ago
+        os.utime(msg_path, (now, now - days * 86400))
+
+
+@pytest.fixture
+def mbox1(example_config):
+    basedir1 = fill_mbox(example_config.mailboxes_dir)
+    return MailboxStat(basedir1)
+
+
+def test_filentry_ordering(tmp_path):
+    l = [FileEntry(f"x{i}", size=i + 10, mtime=1000 - i) for i in range(10)]
+    sorted = list(l)
+    random.shuffle(l)
+    l.sort(key=lambda x: x.size)
+    assert l == sorted
+
+
+def test_no_mailbxoes(tmp_path, capsys):
+    assert [] == list(iter_mailboxes(str(tmp_path.joinpath("notexists")), maxnum=10))
+    out, err = capsys.readouterr()
+    assert "no mailboxes" in err
+
+
+def test_stats_mailbox(mbox1):
+    password = Path(mbox1.basedir).joinpath("password")
+    assert mbox1.last_login == password.stat().st_mtime
+    assert len(mbox1.messages) == 2
+
+    msgs = list(sorted(mbox1.messages, key=lambda x: x.size))
+    assert len(msgs) == 2
+    assert msgs[0].size == 500  # cur
+    assert msgs[1].size == 600  # new
+
+    create_new_messages(mbox1.basedir, ["large-extra"], size=1000)
+    create_new_messages(mbox1.basedir, ["index-something"], size=3)
+    mbox2 = MailboxStat(mbox1.basedir)
+    assert len(mbox2.extrafiles) == 4
+    assert mbox2.extrafiles[0].size == 1000
+
+    # cope well with mailbox dirs that have no password (for whatever reason)
+    Path(mbox1.basedir).joinpath("password").unlink()
+    mbox3 = MailboxStat(mbox1.basedir)
+    assert mbox3.last_login is None
+
+
+def test_report_no_mailboxes(example_config):
+    args = (str(example_config._inipath),)
+    report_main(args)
+
+
+def test_report(mbox1, example_config):
+    args = (str(example_config._inipath),)
+    report_main(args)
+    args = list(args) + "--days 1".split()
+    report_main(args)
+    args = list(args) + "--min-login-age 1".split()
+    report_main(args)
+    args = list(args) + "--mdir cur".split()
+    report_main(args)
+
+
+def test_expiry_cli_basic(example_config, mbox1):
+    args = (str(example_config._inipath),)
+    expiry_main(args)
+
+
+def test_expiry_cli_old_files(capsys, example_config, mbox1):
+    relpaths_old = ["cur/msg_old1", "cur/msg_old1"]
+    cutoff_days = int(example_config.delete_mails_after) + 1
+    create_new_messages(mbox1.basedir, relpaths_old, size=1000, days=cutoff_days)
+
+    relpaths_large = ["cur/msg_old_large1", "new/msg_old_large2"]
+    cutoff_days = int(example_config.delete_large_after) + 1
+    create_new_messages(
+        mbox1.basedir, relpaths_large, size=1000 * 300, days=cutoff_days
+    )
+
+    create_new_messages(mbox1.basedir, ["cur/shouldstay"], size=1000 * 300, days=1)
+
+    args = str(example_config._inipath), "--remove", "-v"
+    expiry_main(args)
+    out, err = capsys.readouterr()
+
+    allpaths = relpaths_old + relpaths_large + ["maildirsize"]
+    for path in allpaths:
+        for line in err.split("\n"):
+            if fnmatch(line, f"removing*{path}"):
+                break
+        else:
+            pytest.fail(f"failed to remove {path}\n{err}")
+
+    assert "shouldstay" not in err
diff --git a/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/__init__.py b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/__init__.py
index ea192a07..140d6a44 100644
--- a/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/__init__.py
+++ b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/__init__.py
@@ -129,6 +129,10 @@ def _install_remote_venv_with_chatmaild(config) -> None:
         "chatmail-metadata",
         "lastlogin",
         "turnserver",
+        "chatmail-expire",
+        "chatmail-expire.timer",
+        "chatmail-fsreport",
+        "chatmail-fsreport.timer",
     ):
         execpath = fn if fn != "filtermail-incoming" else "filtermail"
         params = dict(
@@ -137,27 +141,34 @@ def _install_remote_venv_with_chatmaild(config) -> None:
             remote_venv_dir=remote_venv_dir,
             mail_domain=config.mail_domain,
         )
-        source_path = importlib.resources.files(__package__).joinpath(
-            "service", f"{fn}.service.f"
-        )
+
+        basename = fn if "." in fn else f"{fn}.service"
+
+        source_path = importlib.resources.files(__package__).joinpath("service", f"{basename}.f")
         content = source_path.read_text().format(**params).encode()
 
         files.put(
-            name=f"Upload {fn}.service",
+            name=f"Upload {basename}",
             src=io.BytesIO(content),
-            dest=f"/etc/systemd/system/{fn}.service",
+            dest=f"/etc/systemd/system/{basename}",
             **root_owned,
         )
+        if fn == "chatmail-expire" or fn == "chatmail-fsreport":
+            # don't auto-start but let the corresponding timer trigger execution
+            enabled = False
+        else:
+            enabled = True
         systemd.service(
-            name=f"Setup {fn} service",
-            service=f"{fn}.service",
+            name=f"Setup {basename}",
+            service=basename,
             running=True,
-            enabled=True,
+            enabled=enabled,
             restarted=True,
             daemon_reload=True,
         )
 
 
+
 def _configure_opendkim(domain: str, dkim_selector: str = "dkim") -> bool:
     """Configures OpenDKIM"""
     need_restart = False
@@ -387,13 +398,11 @@ def _configure_dovecot(config: Config, debug: bool = False) -> bool:
     )
     need_restart |= lua_push_notification_script.changed
 
-    files.template(
-        src=importlib.resources.files(__package__).joinpath("dovecot/expunge.cron.j2"),
-        dest="/etc/cron.d/expunge",
-        user="root",
-        group="root",
-        mode="644",
-        config=config,
+    # remove historic expunge script
+    # which is now implemented through a systemd chatmail-expire service/timer
+    files.file(
+        path="/etc/cron.d/expunge",
+        present=False,
     )
 
     # as per https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/os/
diff --git a/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/dovecot/expunge.cron.j2 b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/dovecot/expunge.cron.j2
deleted file mode 100644
index 9eb27182..00000000
--- a/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/dovecot/expunge.cron.j2
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,14 +0,0 @@
-# delete already seen big mails after 7 days, in the INBOX
-2 0 * * * vmail find {{ config.mailboxes_dir }} -path '*/cur/*' -mtime +{{ config.delete_large_after }} -size +200k -type f -delete
-# delete all mails after {{ config.delete_mails_after }} days, in the Inbox
-2 0 * * * vmail find {{ config.mailboxes_dir }} -path '*/cur/*' -mtime +{{ config.delete_mails_after }} -type f -delete
-# or in any IMAP subfolder
-2 0 * * * vmail find {{ config.mailboxes_dir }} -path '*/.*/cur/*' -mtime +{{ config.delete_mails_after }} -type f -delete
-# even if they are unseen
-2 0 * * * vmail find {{ config.mailboxes_dir }} -path '*/new/*' -mtime +{{ config.delete_mails_after }} -type f -delete
-2 0 * * * vmail find {{ config.mailboxes_dir }} -path '*/.*/new/*' -mtime +{{ config.delete_mails_after }} -type f -delete
-# or only temporary (but then they shouldn't be around after {{ config.delete_mails_after }} days anyway).
-2 0 * * * vmail find {{ config.mailboxes_dir }} -path '*/tmp/*' -mtime +{{ config.delete_mails_after }} -type f -delete
-2 0 * * * vmail find {{ config.mailboxes_dir }} -path '*/.*/tmp/*' -mtime +{{ config.delete_mails_after }} -type f -delete
-3 0 * * * vmail find {{ config.mailboxes_dir }} -name 'maildirsize' -type f -delete
-4 0 * * * vmail /usr/local/lib/chatmaild/venv/bin/delete_inactive_users /usr/local/lib/chatmaild/chatmail.ini 
diff --git a/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-expire.service.f b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-expire.service.f
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..4387b20a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-expire.service.f
@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+[Unit]
+Description=chatmail mail storage expiration job
+After=network.target
+
+[Service]
+Type=oneshot
+User=vmail
+ExecStart=/usr/local/lib/chatmaild/venv/bin/chatmail-expire /usr/local/lib/chatmaild/chatmail.ini --remove
+
diff --git a/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-expire.timer.f b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-expire.timer.f
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..9520a67c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-expire.timer.f
@@ -0,0 +1,8 @@
+[Unit]
+Description=Run Daily chatmail-expire job
+
+[Timer]
+OnCalendar=*-*-* 00:02:00
+
+[Install]
+WantedBy=timers.target
diff --git a/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-fsreport.service.f b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-fsreport.service.f
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..3bd630fb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-fsreport.service.f
@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+[Unit]
+Description=chatmail file system storage reporting job 
+After=network.target
+
+[Service]
+Type=oneshot
+User=vmail
+ExecStart=/usr/local/lib/chatmaild/venv/bin/chatmail-fsreport /usr/local/lib/chatmaild/chatmail.ini 
+
diff --git a/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-fsreport.timer.f b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-fsreport.timer.f
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..b47d1b03
--- /dev/null
+++ b/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/service/chatmail-fsreport.timer.f
@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+[Unit]
+Description=Run Daily Chatmail fsreport Job
+
+[Timer]
+OnCalendar=*-*-* 08:02:00
+Persistent=true
+
+[Install]
+WantedBy=timers.target